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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://legalgeekery.com/2009/06/16/law-school-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-3765</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Blondini,  I’m working on a documentary and I’m interested in the opinion you expressed above. Would you mind shooting me an e-mail so I can pick your brain? Thanks! mdesir[@]gmail[.]com (no brackets).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Blondini,  I’m working on a documentary and I’m interested in the opinion you expressed above. Would you mind shooting me an e-mail so I can pick your brain? Thanks! mdesir[@]gmail[.]com (no brackets).</p>
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		<title>By: Blondini</title>
		<link>http://legalgeekery.com/2009/06/16/law-school-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2501</link>
		<dc:creator>Blondini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually had a grade changed this past year.  There was a big process of emailing the professor for a break down and documenting his harsh responses that my paper simply, &quot;was not superior&quot;.  Gee, thanks, but could you have done any better dumbo?  

The professor and his class were an atrocity and since I had already made a formal complaint about his lack of preparedness and tardiness, I appealed the grade.  Although I deserved the grade change, I think he crumbled under the Dean&#039;s questioning and claimed it was a calculation error.  Either way, I was very proud...not to get a better grade, but to successfully beat the little man down! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had a grade changed this past year.  There was a big process of emailing the professor for a break down and documenting his harsh responses that my paper simply, &#8220;was not superior&#8221;.  Gee, thanks, but could you have done any better dumbo?  </p>
<p>The professor and his class were an atrocity and since I had already made a formal complaint about his lack of preparedness and tardiness, I appealed the grade.  Although I deserved the grade change, I think he crumbled under the Dean&#8217;s questioning and claimed it was a calculation error.  Either way, I was very proud&#8230;not to get a better grade, but to successfully beat the little man down! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Chere</title>
		<link>http://legalgeekery.com/2009/06/16/law-school-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2496</link>
		<dc:creator>Chere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joshua Auriemma, I try to keep my location anonymous but if you want to guess I can&#039;t really stop you! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joshua Auriemma, I try to keep my location anonymous but if you want to guess I can&#8217;t really stop you! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Auriemma</title>
		<link>http://legalgeekery.com/2009/06/16/law-school-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2495</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Auriemma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chere, Can I guess? :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chere, Can I guess? :p</p>
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		<title>By: Chere</title>
		<link>http://legalgeekery.com/2009/06/16/law-school-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2494</link>
		<dc:creator>Chere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joshua Auriemma, if I told you that I&#039;d have to kill you :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joshua Auriemma, if I told you that I&#8217;d have to kill you :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gpipoly</title>
		<link>http://legalgeekery.com/2009/06/16/law-school-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2493</link>
		<dc:creator>Gpipoly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As per my tweet--It&#039;s interesting to me that people around here [Toledo Law] seem to want to review the exams on which they did well. My thought has always been that if I get an A there is no need to review the test; my methodology of study clearly worked.

I can usually predict, within a &quot;plus&quot; deviation, how I did in any particular class, so while I want to see my exam below an A, not as badly as when the grade doesn&#039;t match up at all. This has only happened once, where I was sure I aced and in fact got a B. I think most law students are lying to themselves when they say &quot;I was sure I kicked the s**t out of that one.&quot; Personally, I&#039;ve developed a pretty good test-intuition about these things, but maybe I&#039;m an outlier. 

Suggestion for a related discussion topic because I&#039;m curious about how others deal with stress: What are your pre-exam rituals, if any? Songs to pump you up? Particular pencils you use? Lucky garments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As per my tweet&#8211;It&#8217;s interesting to me that people around here [Toledo Law] seem to want to review the exams on which they did well. My thought has always been that if I get an A there is no need to review the test; my methodology of study clearly worked.</p>
<p>I can usually predict, within a &#8220;plus&#8221; deviation, how I did in any particular class, so while I want to see my exam below an A, not as badly as when the grade doesn&#8217;t match up at all. This has only happened once, where I was sure I aced and in fact got a B. I think most law students are lying to themselves when they say &#8220;I was sure I kicked the s**t out of that one.&#8221; Personally, I&#8217;ve developed a pretty good test-intuition about these things, but maybe I&#8217;m an outlier. </p>
<p>Suggestion for a related discussion topic because I&#8217;m curious about how others deal with stress: What are your pre-exam rituals, if any? Songs to pump you up? Particular pencils you use? Lucky garments?</p>
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		<title>By: John Infante</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Infante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went and asked about one exam because I got a really good grade but didn&#039;t take the conventional route when we reviewed the exam as a class. There was one other exam that was reviewed as a class.

Other than that, I didn&#039;t review exams. I developed a pretty good post-mortem plan for exams, and went I tanked it I had a pretty good idea about why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went and asked about one exam because I got a really good grade but didn&#8217;t take the conventional route when we reviewed the exam as a class. There was one other exam that was reviewed as a class.</p>
<p>Other than that, I didn&#8217;t review exams. I developed a pretty good post-mortem plan for exams, and went I tanked it I had a pretty good idea about why.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Fink</title>
		<link>http://legalgeekery.com/2009/06/16/law-school-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2490</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To amplify my Twitter response: at Elon Law, where I teach, we strongly encourage students, especially 1Ls, to meet with professors to review their exams. This is in sharp contrast to my experience as a law student, when the practice was all but unheard of (or at least I never knew or heard of anyone doing so). 

The students who have met with me have included both those who did poorly and those who did extremely well. I do think it may be helpful, especially early on, for students who do well on exams to meet with the professor so that they can see just what they did right. Law review exams are an unusually opaque process compared to undergrad or even other grad school exams, so even strong and well-prepared students might not necessarily have a clear idea, at least the first few semesters, what the professor is looking for. That was certainly my experience, having gone to law school after graduate school in another field; I got good grades on my 1L exams, but wasn&#039;t at all sure how. Finally by 2nd year, I&#039;d cracked the code and figured out what I was doing right. 

Among the students who had done poorly, I&#039;ve not yet had anyone dispute their grade. If that were to happen, my approach would be to apply something like a &quot;clear error&quot; standard for appellate review: no reversal for exercise of discretion, but only if there is an obvious mistake (for example, the student missed points for not addressing an issue, but it turned out the student did address it and I missed the page when grading -- something I&#039;m happy to say has not happened to me!). 

I&#039;m very interested in the student perspective on this issue, and I plan to share this post with my colleagues. Thank you for provoking the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To amplify my Twitter response: at Elon Law, where I teach, we strongly encourage students, especially 1Ls, to meet with professors to review their exams. This is in sharp contrast to my experience as a law student, when the practice was all but unheard of (or at least I never knew or heard of anyone doing so). </p>
<p>The students who have met with me have included both those who did poorly and those who did extremely well. I do think it may be helpful, especially early on, for students who do well on exams to meet with the professor so that they can see just what they did right. Law review exams are an unusually opaque process compared to undergrad or even other grad school exams, so even strong and well-prepared students might not necessarily have a clear idea, at least the first few semesters, what the professor is looking for. That was certainly my experience, having gone to law school after graduate school in another field; I got good grades on my 1L exams, but wasn&#8217;t at all sure how. Finally by 2nd year, I&#8217;d cracked the code and figured out what I was doing right. </p>
<p>Among the students who had done poorly, I&#8217;ve not yet had anyone dispute their grade. If that were to happen, my approach would be to apply something like a &#8220;clear error&#8221; standard for appellate review: no reversal for exercise of discretion, but only if there is an obvious mistake (for example, the student missed points for not addressing an issue, but it turned out the student did address it and I missed the page when grading &#8212; something I&#8217;m happy to say has not happened to me!). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very interested in the student perspective on this issue, and I plan to share this post with my colleagues. Thank you for provoking the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: ouij</title>
		<link>http://legalgeekery.com/2009/06/16/law-school-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>ouij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Warren,  I TA&#039;ed this past academic year, and I can tell you that nothing did more to hone my own exam preparation than having to sit and mark up the practice problems I&#039;d assign my section of 1Ls.  Actually having to *read* responses gave me a real insight into what I&#039;d want to read, and thus, what I should give my readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Warren,  I TA&#8217;ed this past academic year, and I can tell you that nothing did more to hone my own exam preparation than having to sit and mark up the practice problems I&#8217;d assign my section of 1Ls.  Actually having to *read* responses gave me a real insight into what I&#8217;d want to read, and thus, what I should give my readers.</p>
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		<title>By: ouij</title>
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		<dc:creator>ouij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joshua Auriemma, Exam timing is tricky.  I usually finish right on time, within a few minutes.  I finished Trusts &amp; Estates with plenty of time to spare--a good thing, too, since I was able to catch several errors and correct them.  On the other hand, in 1L, I didn&#039;t finish Torts, and ended up getting one of my best grades in law school.  Like I said, by now I have a fair idea of how I can improve my exam performance.  The only reason I&#039;d go back and review an exam would be to read what I actually wrote, and laugh at my own errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joshua Auriemma, Exam timing is tricky.  I usually finish right on time, within a few minutes.  I finished Trusts &amp; Estates with plenty of time to spare&#8211;a good thing, too, since I was able to catch several errors and correct them.  On the other hand, in 1L, I didn&#8217;t finish Torts, and ended up getting one of my best grades in law school.  Like I said, by now I have a fair idea of how I can improve my exam performance.  The only reason I&#8217;d go back and review an exam would be to read what I actually wrote, and laugh at my own errors.</p>
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